Heartbreaking Simpsons Moments 1/∞: Bart Gets an F
I never understood why it’s an F if he gets more than half out of 100? Unless it’s more than 100. If you get more than half the answers right how is it an F?
You must not be from America. Here, grading is fucked up.
Average American Grading Scale:
A - 94-96
A- - 90-93
F- 59 and under
And in some places in America it goes by a 7 point scale, so it’d be
A - 100-93
B - 92-85
C - 84-78
D - 77-70
F - 69 and below
Now you understand why American kid’s feel like there’s no point to school. If you have a 100 question text, and get 79 of them correct, that’s a C. That mean’s your Average Intelligence on this particular subject. And it get’s even worse when you have only like… a 10 question quiz. If you get two wrong? that’s a B. 80 fucking %. Now tell me again why American school’s are easier?
No wait but whats the grading system in other countries?
UK Grading Scale
Below 40: F
next time you try to tell americans that we’re stupid
i’m gonna remind you
that our “average” is your “A”
#is that true?
Yep I was shocked when I heard this in a different post but a Google search pulls up a ton of sites backing this up.
Shit son I woulda passed College Algebra with an A in the UK. And I spent the end of the semester in perpetual fear that I would fail and have to retake the class.
And basically as an American you’re expected to get 80 or higher. Technically 70s are considered ‘average’ but there is such a level of pressure to get a B or higher, that Cs have become equal to Ds. Basically anything under 60 you might as well gotten a 0, and anything between 60-80 is considered practically failing. So basically schools have to be designed to make sure majority of students are getting 80s or higher on specific topics, which means you’re spending all your time going over a few choice facts a billion times and there is very little room to teach anything else. Which explains why American schools are of such low quality. The insane demand on the students ends up wrecking their education. Not only do you not have time to teach them anything, but they end up hating learning. Even outside of school your life is dedicated to memorizing these few dumb facts because your homework ends up taking hours of your time. A teacher from one subject says they expect you to spend 2 hours every night on their homework. And if you’re studying 5 subjects and they all demand that 2 hours? Good fucking luck, because if you don’t have straight all 80s or higher you’re not getting into a good college and college degrees have somehow become the minimum requirement for getting jobs.
I spent most of my junior year of high school in a state of constant panic that I was going to get a C in Honors Physics much less fail the class. If I got a C on my report card, I was grounded until the next one. I lost count of the times I’d wake up at five in the morning to take the early bus to go in for zero hour before school actually started for the day
File this under the exact reason so many Americans detest going to school.
File this under why the American education system needs to be changed. A D is 40-50% in Europe because children with intellectual disabilities need a chance to.
Irish system: 80 - 100% A 65 - 80 % B 50 - 65 % C 40 - 50 % D
Ever thought that not only grading system, but also curriculum in different countries is different? The geometry and stereometry you guys study in 12th grade in the US I’ve gone through in 10th grade. So you can’t really assume you’d get an A in another country if you got a C in the US, because the tests are very different. Furthermore, according to a study in 2002, 11% of Americans aged between 18-24 could not find their own country on a map. 57% were unable to locate India; 69% - The UK! That would mean an F in my country right away and I don’t know what tests you take, but I don’t think that 70% of US students are failing geography.
Reblogging bc not only do I finally understand why my mother never understood why I would be upset with a 79% in my math classes (she didn’t grow up in America), but bc it’s outrageous that the person above me cited studies done in 2002??? Besides the fact that, that information is incredibly out of date, it’s really important to remember that these studies rarely take into account whether or not these people attended HS, if English is their first language (i.e., we have an incredible amount of people in this country that moved here without any formal education, some are thrusted into HS settings with little known English, and others are forced to start working minimum wage jobs immediately, and never get the opportunity to achieve anything that they’d hoped for themselves -like study!), and if they are done in a HS setting, they will only take a certain number of schools into account (i.e., if they use low-income areas, the results will be incredibly different from schools in high-income areas -and even if they use both, parents in high-income areas often send their children to private schools, which are not usually included in studies).
Also, while I can’t speak for all of US public schools, but that one that I attended required at least Alg 2 to graduate, and any student advanced enough to could take AP calculus courses (up to IV, I believe), so to say that what we study in 10th grade is what others study in 12th is incredibly offensive. America is an incredibly competitive place to live and study, and it is challenging for those who need a little extra to survive in school -often, teachers will simply pass them because they are unable to do anymore for the student (above the pay grade, because public school teachers in some areas barely even make 40k a year, or simply because education is something that isn’t invested in not only on the national level -for higher education, mostly, but also elementary and high schools-, but on state levels as well). Once you fall below 80%, you are often no longer a priority for teachers. Yes, the curriculum may be different, but it’s incredibly obvious that we are gradely more harshly than students in other countries, and the fact that our system is more of a help-yourself style (when many people can’t afford the tools to do so, even in public schooling) doesn’t help.
Well, I can cite a more recent study - from 2010, but that’s not gonna do you any favor, because the results are even worse than those in 2001: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/20/education/20geography.html?_r=0
And the study above was only among students, so there goes that theory. Quote from it: “Even as schools aim to better prepare students for a global work force, fewer than one in three American students are proficient in geography, with most eighth graders unable to explain what causes earthquakes or accurately describe the American Southwest, according to a report released Tuesday morning.” Earthquakes! In 8th grade! I mean, come on! We’ve all seen Jamie Oliver’s video of kids in Elementary school not being able to tell apart potatoes from tomatoes. I cannot imagine what the tests these kids take in order to get an A with this knowledge must look like.
I’m sorry if you feel personally offended, but what I have previously stated are just facts. Not sure how you can be offended by facts really. If you care to check what high-school students in my country study in maths then you’d see what I’m talking about. Algebra, calculus, etc. are pretty much the same level, but the geometry and stereometry in your 12th grade textbooks is just something we complete by 10th grade and that’s a fact. Do you think it’s not offensive to me that you believe a C in the US is equal to an A in Europe?
And then again, that ain’t fair either, because I’d probably fail your literature classes, because our education on literature is just bullshit. On top of that, we focus more on open questions and verbal examination, rather than tests. From what I’ve read and heard, education in the US is more oriented towards jobs, while education here is more about general knowledge.
As for the statement about small salaries in the US, it is just crazy, considering teachers in the US are among the highest paid in this field, compared to other countries:
What I’ve been trying to say is that you cannot just take out a single thing out of the context, in this case the grading system in different countries, and assume just because of it one nation is smarter than the other or studies harder. We study different things, at a different pace, with focus on different qualities and subjects and so our grading systems are tailored to that. There is just no place for comparison at all.